That’s why Product team has focused in getting features (1) and (2) + modularity framework first, so that third-party developers can expand that core functionality. Grant deployment won’t be instantaneous, it will take a while, probably similar to the time it takes to add those last core features that can indeed create the conditions for exponential growth. The most important impact of bootstrapping that flywheel is actually that the outcome of the Project does not depend linearly to the amount of hours any “core team” puts into it, but grows non-linearly (and exponentially) as third parties add functionality. Basically, the flywheel reduces the dependency on a core team, actually.
IMO one of the great unsolved questions is how can we align the interests of plugin developers to those of Aragon (and ANT holders), so that instead of having an incentive to fork the stack they have a bigger incentive to share with Aragon. Not in the scope of this thread, but some sort of shared security benefit (deploy and share revenue with Aragon in exchange to access to a shared security pool for covering audits) may make sense. Plugin developers get access to distribution and potential revenue, and they share a part to Aragon DAO in return for that access + shared security.
Could you provide a bit more detail on Gnosis SAFE and Uniswap? Both organisations have ecosystem incentive funds / programs. Just to set the record straight below for voters:
I pinged ENS yesterday: $2 million per year: “it’s done every six months and generally about 1m in usdc across all three working groups, plus anything that gets approved by the DAO directly.”
$300K really doesn’t seem like a lot in comparison to these organisations for a grants proposal that is specifically directed towards the Aragon OSx product and ecosystem.
“The others are doing it” is not a sufficient reason.
I’m not certain that there is evidence that projects that distribute grants are doing better than projects who don’t. And if it’s the case, that it’s causation and not correlation, just like Rolexes for rich people.
Safe has way more PMF and Network effects, even then how much of the $100 million raised has been used? So far you have just pointed to $1 million of the 100.
Matter of fact this Safe, Uniswap, ENS all have successful products that are widely used and adopted.
I just think with the extreme spending already, i cannot trust the grants to not be recklessly given out. We may be able to build some “cool” things but will they actually get used?
I think this post has enough discussion, maybe we should just put it to a vote
we should get the modularity and core product finished first.
Quick background context as I’m new to this forum: I am actively using OSx to decentralize a current marketplace startup. I’ve built a few plugins for our use case on top of the OSx platform and anticipate building several more to make our use case work
It’s really great to see a grants program to support the Aragon Ecosystem. I personally think it’s a great idea to build out the plugin ecosystem. The modular architecture of the Aragon OSx platform is phenomenal but really needs a healthy plugin ecosystem to thrive and I think this could be a great way to get there.
It would be great to see an RFP/wishlist for fundable projects something as simple as an airtable would be perfect here. This way the grants program can guide plugin development in the areas with the greatest need.
It would also be really great to see the option for those applying for a grant to be able to specify specific milestones and how much funding is needed out of the 30k to hit each milestone.
Just a quick 2 cents. I understand the approach of taking a measured first step prior to launching a larger program and am excited to see where this goes!
case in point - a developer working on another project, building plugins without a grant program to benefit their project - a symbiotic relationship. We should be fostering growth by increasing the projects using the base tools for Aragon. This is how Safe did it - they provided a robust multisig for projects, and projects used them and built plugins around it.
How about the 4-5 weeks its been since the AA was asked for transparency?
Or any clarity to the AA “2mm in costs/fees” that has been over a week since asked multiple times?
AA documentation has continued to be withheld
I could go on but it seems rather pointless because all the proof is there. All the while @Joan_Arus continues to comment on this interestingly timed grant proposal while ignoring other questions
The 300k number seems as a blatant attempt to siphon -
300k is exactly how much the DAO currently has / there is already a huge budget for development
random forum accounts joining the exact time they comment support…?
-only current team member support elsewhere.
Questions need to be answered before the DAO grants anymore funds towards development which the burn rate on it already is overinflated:
Revenue is currently terrible compared to burn
There is far too many devs on the project as is - the saying less is more rings true in development as the leading teams in the space (uniswap as referred prior - 7 devs?).
The output compared to budget and team size does not seem to be one that is getting any bang for buck.
If anything there should be a budget reduction.
There has been no proof that warrants this grant to be completely brutally honest and I will not be supporting this.
I see your point here, although I don’t think that these approaches have to be viewed as one or the other.
I’m willing to build plugins that fit my use case for free because 1. I’ve got a direct need today that I need to build for and 2. I’m technical and can develop a plugin myself
Many non-technical folks approach Aragon with the intention of building a DAO for their community (and I’m sure this number will increase significantly as more folks learn about DAOs and their potential). For those folks it would be great to be able to incentivize the development of plugins that could fit more general use cases – maybe there’s a more direct feedback loop here where folks can vote on a wishlist of plugins and that way developers that don’t have any tie to the projects that will use those plugins can still help to develop them.
We should be fostering growth by increasing the projects using the base tools for Aragon.
We both agree on that one!
How many Projects use aragon now?
If you refer to Aragon Client / aragonOSm you can check that info here. Projects such Lido, Decentraland, NFTX, API3, Aavegotchi, DappNode,Zora, Giveth probably are the most known ones. For the new stack, you can see updated stats for Ethereum and Polygon here.
hello I like the idea of a grants program but have a few questions!
I read in the replies that we are spending 12 million a year at the moment, is this true?
Is aragon osx generating revenue at the moment, or is there a plan to generate revenue?
I see both sides of the argument, facilitating useful plugin development is a positive for OSX especially as the developers focus on bigger-picture items, yet if it is truly the case that development is costing 12 million a year without revenue, it is very difficult to accept a proposal that is asking for more spending.
Maybe one solution that could make more sense to not create a separate DAO for this? announce the grant program and if any developers wish to request a grant they can make a proposal here, and tokenholders can approve on a case-by-case basis depending if they consider the r/r to be positive.
Mate, let’s cut the crap yes? Otherwise every freacking post ends up in the same dumpster.
If you are surprised that I actually spend time reading and interacting in posts that were brought forward from real community members that I know and trust, who come forward with ideas on how to reach strategic goals, as opposed to answering to you, well, don’t know how to cut it to you clearer.
There’s no sybil-protection mechanism in this forum, for all I know you could be claiming you are ANT holder and be the same dude in 10 different accounts. So please excuse me if I don’t pay the same amount of attention to your messages, and please, stop spamming every thread with unrelated requests.
And I get it. You want number go up, and every $ in expenses is a $ that can’t go to ANT holders (assuming it was even possible). You think that expenses are too high. That is all fine. Vote against the current proposal.
But brah… stop pretending you actually “care” about the project, cause you know you don’t, and I know you don’t. Same goes to all the new frens over here who are soooo interested in the health of the Aragon Project (who all joined in May-23). It will be easier for everyone.
Information on AA’s expenses for 2022 and H1 2023 will come in Q3, after the GA approves the Annual Accounts.
I understand this is something we’re all passionate about everyone. However, can we please keep the conversation limited to the topic at hand?
This conversation is about a Grant Program to support developers. As @Anthony.Leuts said, if you dont support it, feel free to vote no.
However attempting to hint that this is anything other than that isnt leading anywhere productive. This is simply Aragon attempting to support and reward those who are contributing to the Aragon Ecosystem (and in turn the rest of the ecosystem as well)
